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Secrets of InterPlay for Spiritual Leaders 2022 Online

For all who lead, teach, practice, or work through a spiritual lens.
Wai-Chin Matsuoka, Carolyn Renée, and Cassandra Sagan


January 24–27, 2022
Monday - Thursday
9:30 am–4 pm PT

This 4-day retreat will give you direct experience in many aspects of the InterPlay system. It is also an important element of the InterPlay Life Practice Program for Spiritual Leaders, an in-depth program which will follow this retreat, should you choose to continue.

Take time out to explore creative practices and body wisdom teachings. We'll quickly enter elegant moments of movement, voice, story, and stillness. Learn tools to access the wisdom of the body: Easy Focus, Body Data/Knowledge/Wisdom, Internal Authority, Physicality of Grace, Exformation, Spiritual Disciplines, Incrementality, and Affirmation. Deepen your exploration into the grace, ease, and spontaneous health that arises when body and soul yield their unbelievable beauty.

A unique feature of this weekend program is the opportunity to be led by Carolyn Renée Morris and Cassandra Sagan. Both veteran InterPlay Leaders bring unique gifts to this work. Carolyn Renée is a Reiki Master therapist/teacher, wellness consultant/teaching artist and co-liaison to InterPlay’s BIPOC community. Cassandra Sagan is a maggid—a Jewish storyteller/teacher/preacher—poet, songwriter, and visual artist who employs InterPlay in training educators to create story, play, and movement centered classrooms. Assistant Wai-Chin Matsuoka is a seasoned spiritual director, retreat facilitator, dancing healer and a certified InterPlay leader, with experience in supervision, teaching and coordinating a training program for spiritual directors.

For more information about what will be offered at this Secrets Retreat, please visit InterPlay Life Practice Program for Spiritual Leaders.

Repeating the Program: Anyone who has previously completed Secrets of InterPlay is eligible for the $300 repeaters rate.

Financial Assistance
Based on our commitment to Racial Equity and Transformation (read our statement here...) and our understanding of the structural and personal inequalities that exist, Body Wisdom is committed to making our programs financially accessible. Financial considerations need not be a barrier to your participation. Financial support and flexible payment plans are available. Please email info@interplay.org (or call 510/465-2797), or feel free to speak to one of the leaders of this program.

Secrets of InterPlay and Life Practice Program Attendance
Community building is an integral part of the InterPlay system. To experience the most out of the Secrets of InterPlay weekend or the Life Practice Program, we recommend that you attend all of the sessions. This immersion into the forms and tools of InterPlay is most effective when the group can stay together over time. If you are considering becoming an InterPlay leader, participation and attendance for the full program will be necessary to complete the Life Practice Program, which is the first step in becoming a certified InterPlay leader. If you have questions about this please visit: InterPlay Leader Training Program.

Continuing Education Credit
18 CE credits (55 for the entire Life Practice Program) for various healthcare and allied healthcare professions are available for those practicing throughout the U.S. and for educators only practicing in Illinois. CE pre-registration is required before the start of your event. Email Jane at interplaychicago@sbcglobal.net to APPLY for CEUs. There is a charge of $25-$40 per program. CEUs are offered through Continuing Education Institute of Illinois or R. Cassidy Seminars.

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Cost: $400 ($300 for repeaters) A $100 deposit secures your place in the program.

Registration/Information: For registration questions email office@interplay.org. For financial assistance email info@interplay.org.


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Wai-Chin Matsuoka

Wai-Chin is Singaporean Chinese, who was transplanted to the U.S.A. 35 years ago when she came to do her graduate studies, and met her American-Japanese husband.

She encountered InterPlay in 2012 when Cathy Ann Beaty was moderating the Spiritual Directors International Conference. Totally amazed by the impact of a hand-blessing, Wai-Chin found Jane Siarny in Geneva, IL and was attending classes on and off for several years before taking the Secrets retreat and the Life Practice program in 2018. And even before the end of the Life Practice program, attended the Secrets of Leading in Oct 2018, and completed her requirements in Oct 2020!

She describes herself as a manifestation of Divine Love, and she embodies
Hospitality that welcomes all,
Gentleness that comforts,
Truth that heals and
Compassion that equips, in her life and in service of those who cross her path.

As a spiritual midwife, she companions others on their spiritual path of transformation. As a dancing healer, she facilitates healing through experiential encounters with the Divine Physician and dances on behalf of their wounds and grief, and desires and hopes for wholeness. As a lavish host to the Divine Banquet of Love, Wai-Chin facilitates Soul-Tending Retreats that awaken your desire for deeper intimacy with God, in the same way hors d’oeures whet the appetite for a banquet.

Carolyn Renée
Carolyn Renée Morris (she/her) is a teaching and healing artist with more than a decade of service/experience in the creative and healing arts. She’s the former executive director of the ArtsXchange, a 37-year-old art and social change organization, and Alternate ROOTS, a 44-year-old social justice organization lifting up art as activism in the Southeast USA. Carolyn Renée is committed to the pursuit of art and social justice, health, and well-being for BIPOC on the frontlines of advancing justice. She is a certified InterPlay Leader and in 2008 became a health and wellness practitioner to heal herself from an illness which led to combining the healing and creative arts. With InterPlay, she creates Sacred Space for BIPOC and partners with USA/Ghana-based A Life of Peace Wellness Education Institute to ensure every home has an engaged artist/healer. She goes by “Carolyn Renée.”
Cassandra Sagan
Cassandra Sagan is a Maggid, Jewish storyteller/teacher/preacher, and a designated Leitz Kadosh, Holy Clown. She is a poet, singer/songwriter, performer, and InterPlay Leader who has worked with adults and children for over 25 years helping them to access their full creative brilliance.

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